It's time for Dean to show some leaderships

Don't forget about November

By Locamama  On 3/21/2008 4:42:26 PM  In Democrat   12 Comments   Article Link

It is so frustrating to me to see the lack of leadership in the Democratic Party.  They have painted themselves into a corner with their ruling on Michigan and Florida's electoral votes not counting.  Michigan and Florida moved their primary date up on the calendar because they wanted more importance in choosing the Democratic nominee.  The funny thing is that this year, it wasn't decided early.  It's actually the later states that are going to have more sway on who the nominee is. 

I understand why the Democratic voters of Michigan and Florida are upset that they're votes do not count.  Some are less inclined to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of whether it is Hillary or Obama.  I know it's hard to unring a bell but this is not boding well.  The Democratic leadership needs to keep their eyes on November.  This election was the Democrats to lose and I am so sad to see them throwing it away with both hands. 

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Comments (12)
Dr Guy Wrote:
On Mar 21, 2008

They did paint themselves into  a corner.  And they have no way out of this one.

I will give it to Obama.  HIs solution is the best of the worst.  And the only one that is even close to fair.

Locamama Wrote:
On Mar 21, 2008

I will give it to Obama.

Give him what?  the nomination?  No thanks.  Then I would have to vote for McCain. 

Dr Guy Wrote:
On Mar 22, 2008
Give him what? the nomination? No thanks. Then I would have to vote for McCain.


  

No, just the kuddos for having the best of the worst solutions. He still has to win the nomination.
whoman69 Wrote:
On Mar 22, 2008
It was Florida and Michigan that painted themselves into a corner. A few elections ago DC tried the same thing. Should the rules be different just because they're larger states?
terpfan1980 Wrote:
On Mar 22, 2008

Wah, wah, wah.  Boo hoo.  Hillary's votes and potential delegates won't be counted.  Her supporters aren't being permitted to buy a revote that would favor her.  Wah, wah, wah.

She never should have had her name on the ballots, and she shouldn't have been talking up a revote that would primarily have been paid for by her supporters potentially putting undue pressure upon voters to support her.

Your poor losership is shining through here Loca.  Hope you are ready to pull the trigger and vote for McCain as Hillary is done.

As noted above, the Florida and Michigan party leadership is where the screw up was.  They opted to break the bigger party rules and no matter how dumb those rules may have been, or how draconian the punishment for voting early may be,  the party has rules and the states ignored them.

Personally I hope the whole flap is used to consider stopping the stupidity of the race to hold the first or most important primaries.  I'd rather see the primaries all held on the same days and get rid of any incentive for any state to be first or for any state to see too much time be spent there by any of the candidates.  It'll never change, but it should.

Locamama Wrote:
On Mar 22, 2008

Personally I hope the whole flap is used to consider stopping the stupidity of the race to hold the first or most important primaries. I'd rather see the primaries all held on the same days and get rid of any incentive for any state to be first or for any state to see too much time be spent there by any of the candidates. It'll never change, but it should.

Well I would have to agree with this portion of your statement.  The rest - not so much. 

It was Florida and Michigan that painted themselves into a corner.

In Florida, it was the 75% Republican legislature that changed the date.  Why should the Democratic voters of that state not have their vote counted because of that? 

Dr Guy Wrote:
On Mar 23, 2008
In Florida, it was the 75% Republican legislature that changed the date. Why should the Democratic voters of that state not have their vote counted because of that?


Because in Michigan it was the opposite?
Locamama Wrote:
On Mar 23, 2008

Because in Michigan it was the opposite?

They're going to have to find some kind of fair compromise to split the delegates. 

Dr Guy Wrote:
On Mar 24, 2008
They're going to have to find some kind of fair compromise to split the delegates.


Sometimes fair just does not exist. That is one reason the founders did not mention it in the Constitution, or the Declaration.

The mess has been made. And fair was when they made the rules and stuck to them. Now is just the least painful "unfair" solution.
whoman69 Wrote:
On Mar 30, 2008

IMO Hillary has been very deceitful through this whole process.  All the other candidates removed their names from the ballots as directed by the party.  She now wants to be rewarded by winning this one person race.  Why would the supporters of the other candidates even come out knowing they could not vote for their candidates?  The best they could do was go uncommitted.  There was no campaigning there except behind the scenes.  By no means do I concede these states to her.  She had taken every advantage in this election that she could and is still losing.  I think most Democrats and Americans are growing tired of her games.

Benmeister Wrote:
On Mar 30, 2008
It is so frustrating to me to see the lack of leadership in the Democratic Party.  They have painted themselves into a corner with their ruling on Michigan and Florida's electoral votes not counting. 

What's the point of having rules if there are no consequences for breaking them?

Hillary is not going to be our next president no matter what. If it comes down to McCain vs. Hillary, McCain is going to win by a landslide. McCain vs. Obama will be close. That's why republicans want Hillary to be on the ticket.
The_Politico Wrote:
On Apr 17, 2008
n Florida, it was the 75% Republican legislature that changed the date.


Actually it was a DEMOCRAT who proposed the change that was supported by all but one democrat in the legislature. It was the DEMOCRATS who were told all they had to do was make a meaningful attempt at preventing the move and they would suffer no punishment.

Instead they went on record stating that they were entitled to the move and challenged the DNC to punish them.
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