Democratic Nomination Battle - The Political Machine

Okay, I will make it perfectly clear from the beginning that I am absolutely 100% a Hillary supporter. I think she is the best candidate. I think Obama does not have enough experience and would be more likely to be beaten in the general election. There you go my bias is out, continue reading if you like.

Comparisons of Wright and Clinton marriage - I have noticed several sites where the Obama faithful are trying to draw a correlation between the Obama/Wright loyalty and Hillary's marriage. These don't even come close to being the same thing. The Clinton marriage is a private matter. It's none of our business why the Clintons stayed married. Obama's association with Rev. Wright and the Trinity United Church are very public and pertinent to his campaign. Obama chose to associate with Rev. Wright for over twenty years.

Who took the low road first? - Who cares? Politics is a dirty game. You have to be tough to make it. Neither candidate or their campaign are angels. They both have the opportunity to refute the others allegations.

Newsflash - It's a tie! - Yes, Hillary will not be able to meet the 2,025 magic number to secure the nomination. Here's the part that you don't hear, neither will Obama. The next few primaries and momentum are key. Hillary is ahead in PA. They are about tied in IN. Obama is ahead in NC. Puerto Rico should be an interesting match up. The fact is that neither will have enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination. The super delegates will be deciding the nominee.

What's the difference between lying and misspeaking? - Yep, Hillary goofed when she said she landed amid sniper fire in Bosnia. Obama either lied or misspoke when he tried to take credit for the immigration compromise.

The good news is that the Democrats are fired up for their candidates. I just hope that they can keep that excitement up until November and maybe put their feelings aside and vote for the Democratic nominee, even if it's not their candidate. Yes, I know I am guilty of saying I would vote for McCain before Obama. I just am not giving up on Hillary yet. I'll decide in November.

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I disagree. The Wright Obama issue is private too, and as relevant as the Clinton's marriage. In other words, either both are or both are not. Wrights words are not Obamas, they are just an indication his mindset and character. Just as Hillary's marriage is as well.

Obama obviously supports that message as he's been a member of that church for 20 years and calls Rev. Wright, his spiritual mentor. This was not a private conversation between two friends. Wright released this on DVD as his "greatest hits". There is also the matter that he was actively endorsing Obama from the pulpit which means that that church should not have tax-exempt status.

I disagree with you completely. It is not for the public to say whether a candidate should or should not have stayed in their marriage. It is absolutely a private matter.

Between that issue and the lying (and not just this time) her credibility is seriously shot. The only reason I can see for her to stay in a marriage with a husband who is not committed, is to advance her political career.

She knew what the events were in Bosnia. She wrote them down in her autobiography. CBS showed three times in this campaign where she misrepresented (read:lied about) those events. I think the question on whether or not this was a lie or simply forgetting the facts comes down to motive. She has motive to bolster her foreign policy experience. Landing under fire helps that.

It's really getting tough to read your accounts of Hillary. I keep reading bleat bleat bleat. She lied. The best thing she can do is admit it.

Landing under fire helps that.

Okay, she's not Rambo.

The only reason I can see for her to stay in a marriage with a husband who is not committed, is to advance her political career.

You can assume this but you don't know and it really isn't your business.

It's really getting tough to read your accounts of Hillary. I keep reading bleat bleat bleat. She lied. The best thing she can do is admit it.

She did admit it. At least, I admit my bias. I don't pretend to be what I'm not.

I disagree with you completely. It is not for the public to say whether a candidate should or should not have stayed in their marriage. It is absolutely a private matter.

Actually, you do not disagree completely, only partially. I agree it is not the publics place to decide, nor did I say so (and if that was your original intent, I appologize for not getting that the first time).

It also is not the publics place to decide which church Obama goes to. But it is the place for the public to know about both (and then decide). The decision should be the person's alone.

I look at their descision making abilities. Hillary has a long history of making bad descisions and continues to do so. Obama has dealt with every situation judiciously. Every time he's attacked, he comes back with exactly the right response. Maybe it's street smarts or whatever you want to call it, but he's definitely the brightest of the candidates.

Obama does not have enough experience and he isn't going to hold up to a national campaign against McCain.

You can assume this but you don't know and it really isn't your business.

It is absolutely my business. If she intendeds to run this country, there is no part of her character that shouldn't be put under the microscope. You may not care about the future of this country based on your bias but there are quite a few of us that think that it all matters.

The fact that she told a similar story about the Bosnia situation three times that was a fabrication speaks volumes about her character. It says that she will say anything to get what she wants.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3968364n

I think it's even worse that when she was called on it, she continued to lie about the events. The best thing she could have done was to just not comment on her actions until she had the story correct. You don't lie to cover another lie. We don't need liars in the White House.

You may call it bias but it looks more like blindness.

I think it's even worse that when she was called on it, she continued to lie about the events.

She only lied becaues she loves America so much that she wanted to dodge sniper for her country.

You may call it bias but it looks more like blindness.

I'm just really counting on getting a cabinet post or an ambassadorship for my continued support.

Not Veep?

She only lied becaues she loves America so much

That makes it all better.

I'm just really counting on getting a cabinet post or an ambassadorship for my continued support.

I knew there had to be some sort of fantastical reason for this sort of support.

Hilary is obsessed, she stayed with Bill because she felt he could help in her political obsession. If she felt he was now standing in her way she'd go "Kill Bill" and eat his liver with some "farvar beans an a nice Chianti"

If you take a look a hard look at both the democrat candidates, it really shows how pathetic their party has become.

Obama has a good talk but is that all the people of this country need in a President? I mean Barack sounds like a great advocate for Black peoples rights, I say Black because not all Black people are African-Americans, but does talking a good talk make a President of the US? I don't know if anyone has actually noticed but where are Obama's goals? Where are Obama's ideas and solutions? Where are all the stuff these Presidential candidates promiss but never keep?

Then we have Hillary, the woman can't get her stories straight. Lies about non-important things. Continues to attack Bush as if he's running for President and pretty much her solutions leave very little to be desired.

I find it hard to believe that people are so upset with Bush that they will blindly follow anything that does not resemble Bush in any way. Even if it means voting for candidates like Obama or Hillary who's policies, mentalities and just all around attitud is disturbing to me. The sad part is that we are simply left with one who's policies, mentality and attitud are not far off from the Democratic candidates so in reality 2009 will be a losing year regardless who wins.

The old saying goes "things will get worse before they get better".

Continues to attack Bush as if he's running for President and pretty much her solutions leave very little to be desired.

All the democrats are doing that. I guess it is because low approval numbers. But I wonder how it will play come november. No one has to go to the poll to make sure Bush will not get re-elected. And given an option, most of the electorate is lazy like that.

I've coined a word for when there is an issue taken with Barak Obama, I call it... O-drama. Try it out a little. For example, "Did you watch the pastor Wright O-drama on the news last night?"

I like it. I hope it comes into wide spread use!

Another newly created word:

Snipary- 1. The imagined fear of being shot by a sniper when no danger exists, then using the experiance for polictical gain. 2. A political BS artist.Taken from the words sniper ['sni ɪpər] and Hilary [Hil a ri]

Politics is such that the American public expects our leaders to throw their friends under the bus. Loyalty no longer has any meaning in America, much like responsibility. If I had to give up all my friends when they said something stupid, I'd be down in my basement typing on forums 24/7

You really want a sleep-deprived liar answering the call at 3am?

How many "calls" do they get at 3 AM anyways?

Someone please explain to me how she is more "experienced" please.

We would, but then people get upset when you use the "W" word.

Which one? I'm confused now...

More bad news out of the Clinton camp:
Clinton Campaign Regroups After Shakeup at Top

Mr. Penn, a leading adviser to Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1996, relinquished his role as chief campaign strategist on Sunday after apologizing for holding talks with officials from the Colombian government about a bilateral trade treaty with the United States that Mrs. Clinton opposes. He met with the Colombians in his role as chief executive of Burson-Marsteller, a global public relations firm. Mr. Penn’s departure followed months of infighting between him and other Clinton aides.

She can't even manage her campaign. Ready to make bad decisions from day one.

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